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May. 8th, 2009

  • 8:27 AM
spike not amused: ruuger
I'm annoyed.

See, this summer, my kids are very likely going to the UK to spend a chunk of their holiday with their grandparents. Tickets are exorbitant, but Craig's Nan is getting on and we want the kids to get as much time with her as possible, as well as with the rest of his side of the family, so it's worth it to us. Here's the kicker. We're letting them go on their own. Part of the extra fee is to ensure a nonstop flight on one of the airlines that makes special provisions for children traveling alone. Craig and I had thought about going with them for part of the trip, but with the house getting built this summer, it's not practical for us to be gone for more than a few days at a time. Everybody is good with this plan.

Except people who hear what our summer plans are.

If one more person says to me, "Well, I could never let my kids be gone that long, or dare let them travel alone," I swear, somebody is going to lose an eye. It always comes with, "How great for you and them, but I couldn't do it." Implying of course, that I'm somehow faulty for being so lax with my children's safety or not loving my children enough because I can bear to be parted from them for a month.

I mean, really. We are paying an arm and a leg to make this happen in the safest way possible. I have two ultra-responsible children (ages 9 and 7) who have done this trip multiple times. The flight to the UK is an overnighter and they're going to sleep the entire way anyway. Am I worried something might happen? Sure. Of course I am. But I worry when they're out of my immediate sight, no matter what the circumstances. My job as a parent is to teach them responsibility and independence, and to keep them as safe as possible. It doesn't mean coddling them. And the issue of missing them while they're gone? Please. How many parents are half-crazy by the time summer is half over because the kids are constantly underfoot? Do not tell me that I don't love my kids because I'm willing to let them go somewhere - with family, for everybody's good, where they're excited to go - without going with them. I'm still going to talk to them every day. I'll see them on the webcam. I'll miss cuddles and their company, but that'll make me appreciate it all the more when they return. It would be selfish of me to tell them they couldn't go because of the new house.

I understand some kids couldn't do the trip on their own. But the most common comment I'm getting isn't even about the kids' safety. It's the, "How can you stand for them to be gone so long?" comment. Because there must be something wrong with me for even being remotely excited about uninterrupted hours of productivity. Oy.

Okay. Rant over. :)

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[info]enigmaticblues wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 03:50 pm (UTC)
This reminds me of an article I read about "free-range" children. A woman in New York encouraged her 9-year-old to ride the subway on his own, and people went NUTS. Her response was that it was an age-appropriate activity for her son, and that it's time to stop coddling our kids so much and teach them to be brave and responsible.

So, I say go you. :-)
[info]eurydice72 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:00 pm (UTC)
It really has surprised me how vehemently people have reacted to this. But I really like the use of the word "brave." Because that's a good part of it. There are things Alicia is afraid of, sure, but the more I expose her - in a safe environment - to risks, the better she'll be equipped to deal with things as an adult.

Thanks so much for the vote of confidence. I was really starting to wonder if there was something wrong with me. :)
[info]badgerbabe wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
Would that article have been by Laura Bennet by any chance?
[info]enigmaticblues wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 07:52 pm (UTC)
No clue, actually.
[info]willow_25 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
I applaud you so much for letting your kids be responsible for themselves. It truly does help them to learn and develop into capable adults. I have a couple of friends...Not to judge their parents, but they are a brother and sister, and their parents have smothered them and 'taken care of' them to such an extent that at 30 and 32, neither can function on their own.
[info]eurydice72 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:04 pm (UTC)
Yes. This. This is what I don't want to happen to my kids as adults. The world is a complex place, which I think has negatively affected how people raise kids anymore. Parents are too scared and end up overcompensating the other way.

I have to admit, some of the parents who have commented to me...I would never in a million years consider letting their kids travel alone for a wide variety of reasons, so I can almost understand why they would react in such a way. But each kid is different, and I know mine can do it.

Thank you for commenting with this. I needed to hear that I wasn't insane for doing this. :)
[info]elsaf wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:25 pm (UTC)
If you take your kids to the airport, the airline will supervise them to their destination, and if their grandparents are waiting at the other end, I don't really see a problem.

My parents sent my sister and I off on an airline trip when I was younger than your youngest. I know, people say it's more dangerous today, but I don't really believe it. People are more aware of the danger today, but I don't really think that the danger is greater.

The airlines take good care of unaccompanied children. I've witnessed it on many of my transatlantic trips.

[info]eurydice72 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC)
If you take your kids to the airport, the airline will supervise them to their destination, and if their grandparents are waiting at the other end, I don't really see a problem.

Exactly! The kids are watched every step of the way. It's not like we're popping them on the BART and telling them to fend for themselves. People don't seem to get that, though.

We've seen it, too, and we trust the kids to behave themselves appropriately. They're good travelers. I just wish other people would stop butting in their negative opinions.
[info]mefnord wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:28 pm (UTC)
I hardly ever comment here, but I do have to chime in to say: Good on you and good for your kids! Seriously, this will be such a great and SAFE experience for them that'll make them SO proud.

I think a lot of the kids are way too much under their parents' wings today.

I turned out pretty good, and my parents had to let me leave for 6 weeks when I was only 4 years old and another 4 weeks when I was 6 (due to health issues) I was sent to a spa where parents weren't alowed to visit. Was I homesick? Yes! Did it kill me or scar me emotionally? No way! *makes madeyes* Hee.

I also flew all by myself across Europe several times before turning 7, visiting with my grnadparents. Best experience EVER! Toys and doting grown-ups everywhere.

Anyway, good decisiion to make this experience available to them!
[info]eurydice72 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:46 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the vote of support! I think, too, people don't realize how little family we actually get to see. Mine is all on the east coast, so casual trips there aren't possible. They would be just as extensive as a trip to the UK.

When I was growing up, I spent every summer from the time I was 9 until I was 15 at my aunt's house, babysitting her kids. Did I learn stuff it scares me to think my kids might learn, lol? Yes. But I got to be a little more independent as a result, and experienced more than I would have stuck at home for the summer in the middle of nowhere.
[info]garnigal wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:34 pm (UTC)
Man, what a great opportunity for the kids and for you and your husband. Not many kids get the chance to spend that amount of uninterrupted time with their extended families, particularly in another country. Not to mention what a great chance for you and Craig to rebond after however many years of marriage and at least 9 years of parenting.

When I was eight my mother put me on a train and sent me to my aunt for a week. It was a 4 hour trip, on my own, and I'd never felt so grown up. As enigmatic said, it taught me to be brave and be willing to do things I'm scared of.
[info]eurydice72 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:57 pm (UTC)
This is all the good stuff I keep telling other people, too, but they're not listening to me, lol. There is so much in the UK that they can experience this way, and Craig's parents are the kinds who want to do everything. Everybody wins.

I'm glad to hear I'm not insane. Thanks for the vote of confidence! :)
[info]manoah wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC)
You know, if your kids had never been on a plane before, never met their grandparents before, never been out of the house before; I could see why people would react so. But! (And I like big buts!)

Your kids 1)have made this trip multiple times, 2)met, know and love their grandparents, 3)are exposed to the real world, 4)are not changing planes and not wandering loose amongst the airports, 5)aren't scared or upset so why is everyone else? I'll tell you why. Those people are questioning their own parenting skills and wondering if they are doing something wrong that their kids wouldn't be able to take this trip.

You are doing a wonderful thing for everyone involved. You children will be brave and independent and wonderful and when it's time for them to leave the nest you will know that they will have all the necessary life skills to see them through.

People suck. You do not.
[info]eurydice72 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 05:02 pm (UTC)
Yes, people indeed do suck. It boggles me that I get comments like this from people who *know* my kids, too. Alicia is so mature for her age, it's scary. Everybody comments on it.

I needed to hear this, especially from another mom. Thank you so much. *squishes*
[info]redeem147 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 05:08 pm (UTC)
When we went to the first Writercon, there was a little girl on the plane with us, traveling alone (her parents were divorced, and she was visiting her dad). She seemed to be having a wonderful time, playing with her dolls, and the stewardesses were all giving her good attention.

Ignore the nay-sayers. Let their kids not know their grandparents, or have the experience of travel.
[info]arymetore wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 05:12 pm (UTC)
Sounds like it will be a great trip for them and I think the people naysaying you are insecure in their own parenting abilities/children's coping abilities.

I personally took a trip when I was about 7 or 8 out to AZ alone. It was to meet my father whom up until that time, I couldn't even remember. This included changing planes I think... (it's been a while :P). Yes, it was some 25+ years ago, but I don't think things have changed that drastically in the airline industry. If anything, they are more secure in many respects and the airlines will take good care of the children as you have taken every step you can to ensure that :) Did a similar trip when I was 13 or 14 and did change planes in Dallas (all unaccompianed).

As for the being separated from the kids for a month... It sounds like some people have a severe empty nest syndrome and have shackled their kids to the apron strings. I wonder how functional those kids might be once they do leave home (if they ever do). I think the trip with the home issues coming up will be a great time for the kids to spend with the grandparents and you and Craig to focus on getting the house ready for them to come back to without the additional stress of having to do it all with the children present.

Also, adults have lives of their own and sometimes like to actually live them :P I mean if they didn't, all the daycare and babysitters would suddenly find themselves out of an entire industry. Sure, a month is longer than the normal babysitting gig, but then its with family. I spent a month or so with my aunt during a fall when my parents took a trip to Honduras when I was maybe 9. There was also the 5 week long trip with my grandparents when I was 14 driving from TN to WA and seeing many of the greatest parks and sites along the way. That trip was an incredible blast and I would love to be able to do something similar with any children I have some day... or grandchildren :) It was certainly a major highlight in my life :) I think the trip for your children will hopefully be similar and as much fun :)
[info]purplefeen wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 05:27 pm (UTC)
I did that when my kids were younger too and I got the same crap from people. Ignore them (if you can) and try not to let it get to you. You're doing the best thing for them and its a shame those other people didn't raise their own children to be as responsible as yours are. ;)
[info]_jealousy_ wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 05:30 pm (UTC)
You know how I know that there's nothing wrong with your parenting skills? Because there's nothing wrong with your kids. It's that simple. As for being separated from them for a month, I don't see what the big deal is. Of course, I grew up in the midwest where it was perfectly normal for kids to spend a month away at summer camp, and I have noticed that that is not the way of things here in California. But your kids want to spend time with their grandparents, it's not feasible for you and Craig to accompany them, so this is the only practical solution. Period. And of course you're going to miss them, but you're more than just a parent and you have enough other things in your life that you're perfectly capable of living without them for what is really a rather short period of time. I think some parents get so wrapped up in being parents that they're not capable of functioning outside of that role, and that's really just pathetic and will only lead to smothering their children into acts of rebellion. Sounds to me like these people could learn a thing or two from you.

[info]annie_bee wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 05:36 pm (UTC)
Oh, people need to mind their own beeswax. You can tell them that you have a friend (me) whose mother put her on a plane BY HERSELF for a trip to grandma's when she was 3. Yes, my mom put me on a plane alone when I was 3. I tease her about it today and she keeps saying that times were different then etc. etc. She's right--it was the early 70s, it was non-stop, I was an exceptionally well-behaved child and could occupy myself for the flight, etc.

Good for you for letting your children do this--their self-confidence and independence will only benefit from it.
[info]tisiphone318 wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 07:30 pm (UTC)
Normally a lurker, but just had to comment. I have two kids also (10 and 6), and would do the same as you like a shot. I'd KILL for some uninterrupted time.

So, those others? Envy, pure and simple. Envy that you have the means to make this trip possible for your kids and in-laws. Envy that your kids are mature enough to handle not only the trip, but being 'away' for an extended period. Envy that your and your kids' relationship with your in-laws is such that this trip will be enjoyable for all concerned. And envy that you have something productive planned while they are gone.

People project onto others their fears. Don't accept these fears as your own.
[info]rebcake wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 10:57 pm (UTC)
Here's another take:

I could never do it because I would be so freaking jealous of my kid for getting to go to the UK without me that I would likely do something...unseemly.

Back in the day (and I don't recommend it now) my brother and I went on interstate bus rides unsupervised, at about the age your kids are now. *shrug* Yeah, times were different.

Anyway, good luck to y'all. I find it's an adjustment, having an empty nest all of the sudden, but I always manage to live through it. Heh. Oh yeah. I'm actually trying to figure out where to ditch my kid (for her own good/education/independence-fostering) for a little while this summer. Alas, it's unlikely to be nearly as exotic (to me, anyway) as Old Blighty.
[info]angelic_amy wrote:
May. 8th, 2009 11:59 pm (UTC)
How irritating that people keep sticking their noses in. They're your children and you and Craig know what is best for them, what they can manage, and it's no one else's business. I wish the kids the best of luck with their flights and the trip, I'm sure they'll have a blast. And good luck to you and Craig with the house plans.

[info]slaymesoftly wrote:
May. 9th, 2009 01:00 am (UTC)
Having had four children - within six years of each other in age - I can assure that the people asking how you could stand to be without them are childless...
[info]vampgaia wrote:
May. 9th, 2009 02:01 am (UTC)
Oh good grief! You and Craig are great parents. I think it is wonderful that you are allowing your kids to go to the UK to visit their relatives.
[info]chriself wrote:
May. 9th, 2009 04:13 am (UTC)
When my daughter was 11 we let her go on a People to People trip to England and France right after the first round of bombings in London. You might have thought we were sending her into an Iraqui war zone. This was before she had a cell phone, even. Yes, my kid did not have a cell phone until she hit high school. Shocking! And last year we sent both kids out of state to stay with their aunt for a month in the summer for financial reasons and because my daughter needed her room gutted and redone because of her horrible allergies. Since we couldn't afford to pay someone to do it, we worked on it at night and on weekends while she was away. They had a great time with their cousins and built a bond that will last a lifetime with my sister and her husband. I hope your kids have a fantastic time and that you get to enjoy some time with your hubby in between all the house stuff.
[info]ayinhara wrote:
May. 9th, 2009 02:06 pm (UTC)
I'm sure that you will miss the children when they are in the UK with their grandparents, but that is no reason for them not to go. I think spending extended time with their grandparents will be wonderful for all of them. I'm sure that they will handle the airplane trip just like the experienced travelers that they are.
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